Non-profit Warrior ([info]crankyliberal) wrote,
@ 2008-01-28 09:37:00
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Hillary Clinton doesn't think I should have a job
because there shouldn't be judicial process for immigrants

"Anybody who committed a crime in this country or in the country they came from has to be deported immediately, with no legal process. They are immediately gone," Mrs. Clinton told a town hall meeting in Anderson, S.C., Thursday. On Wednesday, she told a crowd in North Bergen, N.J., that such criminals "absolutely" need to be deported. A day earlier, she told a rally in Salinas, Calif., that aliens with criminal records "should be deported, no questions asked."

Really, Hillary? Do you want to know how many Lawful Permanent Residents I've helped lately who were in proceedings for a single drug possession conviction? These people have been here for over 20 years in most cases, have families and jobs, and screwed up. One of them was a bit stressed out after surviving cancer and also having to take care of her mother who is suffering from cancer. So she did some drugs. Right now, they have a chance to prove that they deserve to stay because the positive equities outweigh the negative. Now, that's their only chance- if they ever screw up again, they're removed, no questions asked.

But you want to take that away? Take away their chance to prove their worth? A chance that people value so much they'll sit in detention for six months (not to mention the extra time if there is an appeal lodged- that means a year or more easily)even though many of them have never been in jail once?

Oh, and you want to deport the asylum seekers who have crimes? Are you saying you want to overturn the Convention Against Torture, a remedy founded in international law that may be availiable to ANYONE regardless of crime, provided they can prove to a judge that there is more than 50% chance that they will be TORTURED at the hands of their government? Almost nobody gets this remedy, and it doesn't even protect you from being deported to a third country- only from the US sending you to the country where the torture takes place. They may be taken back later if the conditions change. What I am trying to say is that it's hardly a free pass for the criminals.

Your HUSBAND is the one who already has made deportation automatic for so many people I see, and now you simply want to expand that group.

So if you're president, I should go look for a new job? Great, thanks for the advance warning.


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[info]oldhubcap
2008-01-28 06:15 pm UTC (link)
It pisses me off to hear politicians rant about denying the accused the right to defend themselves through due process. All people have that right, no matter where they come from.

Strikes me as being solidly against the core of values this nation was founded on.

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[info]hatgrlstargazer
2008-01-28 09:43 pm UTC (link)
Strikes me as being solidly against the core of values this nation was founded on.
I agree.

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[info]dolphinsolo
2008-01-28 06:29 pm UTC (link)
Feh. Just another reason to vote for Obama in my book.

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[info]freddlerabbit
2008-01-28 07:53 pm UTC (link)
Lovely. I knew I didn't like Hilary. Now I have an even better reason. "No due process?" She sounds like a Republican.

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[info]peristaltor
2008-01-28 07:59 pm UTC (link)
This is an excellent piece. May I promote it?

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[info]crankyliberal
2008-01-28 09:13 pm UTC (link)
Sure. I'm flattered.

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[info]luckimunki
2008-01-28 11:24 pm UTC (link)
Even though I'm a Hillary supporter, this is the first thing I've seen with a genuine criticism of her policy rather than just vague "Hillary is a bitch" bullshit.

But do take into consideration the fact that she was in South Carolina, a state with extreme xenophobia at the moment.

Also, to those saying "Oh well that means I am going to vote for Obama," what is Obama's take on the same issue? Has he made any statements regarding it? Or did he just flash his winning smile?

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[info]ironphoenix
2008-01-29 04:37 pm UTC (link)
But do take into consideration the fact that she was in South Carolina, a state with extreme xenophobia at the moment.

Either she really means what she says, or she doesn't. In the former case, it doesn't matter where she was; in the latter, she's pandering to local sentiment, which is hardly the sign of a good leader.

I'm really kind of glad that I don't have to vote down there...

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[info]luckimunki
2008-01-29 11:09 pm UTC (link)
Candidates pander to Iowans about corn every damn year, the Republicans pandered to Michigan voters about auto jobs, and in Vermont they all pretended to love cheese. The only difference is that people don't tend to care about corn or cheese as much as immigration. If you don't expect pandering from each and every candidate, then you are living in what Bill Clinton so aptly called the "fairy tale" of Obama idealism. Look, I like Obama. If he wins the nomination, he's got my vote in a heartbeat. But when it comes to Hillary vs. Obama, I'm going to choose the pragmatist over the idealist every time.

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[info]ironphoenix
2008-01-30 02:21 pm UTC (link)
Well, she was saying something similar in NH, from what the article says.

I can't say that I know Obama's position to be a supporter; I'm just pointing out objections to Clinton's comment.

As for situational morality (pragmatism), when it comes to serious matters, I do have an objection. There is a difference between compromising in little matters and in big ones, and I see due process as a big matter not to be compromised on. If the American public feels otherwise, then so be it, but when the chickens come home to roost, let it be remembered that they were invited in.

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[info]luckimunki
2008-01-30 06:07 pm UTC (link)
I'm not talking about situational morality, I use "pragmatism" in the sense of "character or conduct that emphasizes practicality."

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[info]ironphoenix
2008-01-30 06:24 pm UTC (link)
In that case, I'm not sure what you're referring to in your previous comment; could you provide an example? I'll readily enough recognize that it's practical to emphasize planks in one's platform according to where one happens to be speaking, but surely you aren't advocating as simply "practical" the fabrication of such planks that contradict one's actual intentions and principles?

Edited for grammar

Edited at 2008-01-30 06:24 pm UTC

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[info]ironphoenix
2008-01-29 04:46 pm UTC (link)
Anytime the government circumvents due process, I see a bit more freedom die.

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